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It's meme time! [ profile] altogetherisi gave me these fabulous questions!

1. What is German language fandom like? The internet is so sprawling and connecting, but for me at least being monolingual is a barrier that stubbornly remains, and one of the few frankly. Aside from the actual language, does it feel like a significantly different social space from English language fandom?

It does! It doesn't have quite the sense of community that English fandom has, which is, I think, mostly due to the fact that German fandom mostly takes place in fanfiction archives, and those are, as we all know, not the best place for discussion and picspamming and all of those other things that are part of fandom! English fandom has its home, it's very present on websites like livejournal and tumblr and basically anywhere you look, and it takes all forms. German fandom doesn't. I don't know any German fanartists in German fandom, but I do know a fair few German fanartists who are immersed in English fandom. There is just not the same appreciation for all things fandom in German fandom.

Squeeing, keysmashing and capslocking are not accepted as a valid way of expressing yourself. (I told [ profile] pigrescuer the other day that German is not really a language you can easily squee in, mostly because it doesn't take acronyms/initialisms or the like as well as English does.) German fandom does get excited too, though I don't think there's ever this overwhelming feeling of belonging with these people, of wanting to experience all of the goods and bads of fandom and what it offers with them. I also get the feeling that German fandom is rather judgemental and narrow-minded. I see people going 'eeewww' regarding certain kinks all the time, and while this happens in English fandom as well, it's certainly not as prevalent. English fandom is a place for love and creation and appreciation in a way German fandom isn't. It's hard for me to pinpoint it, but basically, German fandom is less of a collective and less appreciative of individuals, if that makes any kind of sense? And does that answer your question? (Which is a really interesting question btw!)

2. What pairing or trope do you always wish there was more fic for (but that you can't be bothered to just write yourself)?

Okay, I think I'm going to go with The Mentalist, which is a fandom I haven't read much fanfic for at all, due to the fact that I am still not fully caught up. But I've been looking about for a bit, and I haven't been able to find anything for my OT3, which is Cho/Rigsby/Van Pelt, and I think it's pretty weird there isn't any fanfiction for them because their love is quite obvious imho! There are things like Jane/Rigsby/Van Pelt (which is weird enough in itself because I don't want to read any porn involving Jane since he is still essentially married to his dead wife), and basically all of the other things, but nothing for my OT3! ):

I'm also a sucker for unrequited love and heartbreak and love that cannot be (The Social Network much? Also, unrequited!Arthur/Eames; my heart!), again with The Mentalist, because Jane and Lisbon are so in love with each other, they are, I swear, but what with Jane's issue I've already mentioned, I don't ever want Jane/Lisbon to happen. I just want them to tease each other and to banter and to shoot each other glances and to sometimes hug in the knowledge that this is not something that is going to happen forever and ever and ever. BECAUSE IT MAKES MY HEART ACHE BUT IT IS ALSO WONDERFUL. And while I feel that their love can never ever be, there are lots of fics out there about the two of them getting together or getting their hots on for each other. I really wish there was more fic exploring their issues.

3. What was the best thing about London/the UK, and what was the worst? Did anything surprise you?

THE WORST THING WAS MY FUCKING OYSTER CARD AND ITS BITCHING WAYS OF BITCHINESS. There wasn't one day when it didn't say, 'Seek Assistance', when it didn't let me exit a station or whatever. I didn't even do anything wrong (not that I'm aware of anyway), but it just kept happening. And now to be utterly unoriginal, I'm going to say that the best thing was meeting you guys, because it was, I've been wanting to meet you all for years and I thought it would never work out! AND NOW IT HAS. \o/ But really, going to the UK (and especially London) has been a dream of mine for ages, and then there was the added wonderfulness of meeting y'all, and it still seems pretty surreal. I MISS EVERYTHING ABOU THE UK ALREADY. ;___; I don't think there was anything that particularly surprised me- oh. Oh yes, there was. Something I didn't dare say out loud while I was there, but holy crap, England looks so much like France! And I like the way France looks, the street signs and the cramped houses in smaller towns, the pavement, just about everything, but I've never been able to appreciate these things in France because I don't like France, so in England I get the same things, only I can appreciate them! (:

4. Which are your 3 favourite Darren Criss songs?

I'm so ashamed of myself right now, Isi, because I don't know any of Darren Criss's original music. D: (Apart from I Still Think, which I just listened to earlier.) I could cheat utterly and name my three favourite Blaine songs (Baby It's Cold Outside, Misery and Teenage Dream - or something along these lines), but cheating is bad, so I'm just going to pingpong this question right back at you and ask, what should I listen to? Point me!

5. What would your perfect night out be like?

Hmm, I don't know. I'm more the 'stay in, read a book/watch a film' type of girl, so my perfect night out would probably be a night in, haha. :D But seriously, I think something like cinema - drinks - lots of talk and banter with my favourite friends, or, um, a Darren Criss concert really, BUT THAT IS SO UNATTAINABLE AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN, so I'll settle for these other things. Which are also really nice. But Darren Criss is just this tad nicer. ETA: Or a musical! I haven't been to musicals on a regular basis for so long, that I'd forgotten that musicals make for fabulous nights out!

If you want to play, just leave a comment saying 'QUESTIONS', and you shall get five of them. (:

Date: 2011-07-06 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
QUESTIONS. Questions are awesome. :D I am going to get this meme off you AND Isi AND Lal and then spam you all with my answers. I love talking about myself way too much! And also hearing people's answers because ooh these are awesome ones!

Despite several years in fandom (which continues to feel like five minutes!) I feel like I barely know English fandom so the thought of other-language fandoms is just something so far beyond me! So it's awesome to hear about it some! I am sad German fandom sounds kind of judgey and less flaily, all the fun of fandom is flaily utterly inhibition-less-ly! But it's cool that you can experience two whole different fandom 'worlds' as it were. :)


...okay even typing that made me sad. :( YOU WILL NEVER BE DEAD TO ME BRAN I LOVE YOU. Also I do kind of see what you mean, though I think France is kind of hotter a lot of the time and also tends to be smellier. But in terms of the houses and the streets and stuff I do see the similarity, though I maintain London is better. ;)

ALSO WHUT. GET THEE TO SPOTIFY OR ITUNES OR YOUTUBE OR ANYWHERE AND FIND SOME DARREN CRISS ORIGINAL MUSIC! (Though technically almost all the Starkid music is by him so that could count too?) 'Human' is probably my favourite, it's so awesome. <3 I love Darren Criss and I am SO jealous of Lal and Isi right now!

Love you masses my darling and sorry for this long and sprawling comment!

Date: 2011-07-08 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

1. If you could speak any language in the world, which one would you choose?
2. What do you miss most about Belgium?
3. What made you want to study Theology? Which religion or what aspect of religion are you most interested in?
4. If you had to choose books or the internet, which one would you choose and why? (I'm a meanie. :D)
5. What is the most awesome thing about Doctor Who (or in other words, why exactly should I watch this show? Also, why am I making this question about myself?)?

I think it's very difficult to know more than a fraction of fandom, especially with a fandom as huge as English fandom! I think that German fandom is more constricted to certain places on the internet, so that makes it easier, kind of. The idea of other other-language fandoms is very much beyond me too. I can't imagine what Russian fandom would be like, or even French fandom (though I ventured into that for a short while), or whatever.

I AM SO SORRY SO SO SORRY, I SHALL NEVER SAY THAT AGAIN OKAY? PLEASE DON'T HATE ME. D: France is hotter, and I think you are right about it being smellier, but even that aside, LONDON/ENGLAND IS MUCH BETTER. NO ONE HAS EVER DOUBTED THAT.

Okay okay, I will! I can't right now because internet in the Black Forest = flakiest internet I have ever had, but if we are counting Starkid music as original Darren Criss music, I do at least know most of AVPM and AVPS? :)? I'LL LISTEN TO ALL OF HIS MUSIC THOUGH, I PROMISE.

Long and sprawling comments are love, and I love you too. <333

Date: 2011-07-06 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hmmm, German language fandom doesn't sound all that attractive. Kink shaming, really? And no squeeing or real interaction? Back when I was into Merlin and Sherlock Holmes there was a German com or two on lj but I guess those are far and few in between.

It's not for me since I dislike reading fic in German (porn especially) and there are just so much more people and fun things to be had in English speaking fandom. And it has improved my school English to no end.

Date: 2011-07-08 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well, in all fairness, it can be a nice place occasionally? I would never prefer it over English fandom though, not with all the awesome English fandom has to offer! I sometimes wish German fandom wasn't as small (though Harry Potter is quite big anywhere really, but I'm mostly talking Inception or Sherlock Holmes, because those are ridiculously tiny), but since people know there is so much more out there they can't access, they tend to be rather enthusiastic about translations, which is good for me I guess?

I totally agree! Also, finding good fic writers is more likely in English fandom since there are just more of them. And I do think it's due to fandom my English is as good as it is, and I think it's wonderful that this is true for many people! (:

Date: 2011-07-08 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I guess I just always had this notion that most people have taken English in school and even if their English is bad the content of English speaking fandom would be enough to tempt them... probably because that's how it went for me. I was fifteen when I started reading fic and I did it with a dictionary at my elbow XD

And luckily no one cared about my bad English when it came to posting art though I was terribly nervous at first about answering comments or interacting with anyone really.

Date: 2011-07-08 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I know, right? I never even considered sticking around in German fandom. I think I came to fandom when I was about thirteen or fourteen, and though I read a few German fics at first, I basically went straight to English fandom because I realised there were so many possibilities and so much fic/art/whatever I couldn't have in German fandom. It makes me wonder why some people don't seem to have this urge to explore. Maybe it is because they are afraid, but I think that's a natural reaction.

I think the reason that so many artists (not only German ones, mind you) come to English fandom is that you don't necessarily need to be all that good with the English language to share art, which is a huge advantage and a different thing with fic entirely. But on the whole, English fandom has always made me feel welcome, and contrary to what I feared, not being a native speaker has never turned out to be a problem.

Date: 2011-07-08 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Same here. Gundam Wing my first fandom hadn't even aired in Germany at the time I got into the fandom so I went straight for the English fic. And you're right of course that being a fanartist is a big advantage when it comes to the language barrier.

Also QUESTIONS please :)

Date: 2011-07-09 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I thought you'd never ask. :D

1. Let's talk art! What is your favourite medium? Which one are you best at in your opinion?
2. Of all the fandoms you've been in, which one did you like best and why?
3. Do you prefer English or German?
4. If you weren't going into illustration (I assume you are?), what other career path would you find tempting?
5. What is your fondest childhood memory?

Date: 2011-07-09 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
1) Does ballpoint pen count as a medium? It's what I mostly use for sketching, I love it. I'm complete crap when it comes to painting but I'm pretty good with media that can be used for drawing so all pens, pencils, charcoals, pastels etc.

2)Probably Sherlock Holmes. Bookfandoms are always great and I love that for the most part all the different interpretations of Holmes coexist and get squeed over equally. The quality of art and fic in that fandom is amazing and the kink meme is a thing of joy and beauty.

3) Prefer it for what exactly? I read a lot of English books and watch a lot of English movies/tv, more so than German books/movies.

4) If I wasn't going to be an illustrator I'd still want to do something with books, book binding or restauration or librarian maybe.

5) Hm, that's really difficult, I had a very happy childhood so it's hard to choose one. Maybe that time when I was ten and my parents told me that I was allowed to accompany my best friend and her family to a trip to Paris. I remember that I cried with happiness.

Date: 2011-07-10 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
1. Since I don't know the first thing about this kind of stuff, you could probably trick me into thinking something was a medium even if it wasn't. :D Ballpoint pens are great for writing too though, so I understand your love for them. <3

2. That does indeed sound like a great fandom, what with all of the diversity and multiple versions of Holmes! I don't know why I've never really been into Holmes fandom, but this makes me want to venture into it!

3. Oh right, I should have specified! I guess this is what I meant, though I really can't remember right now! :D I always feel bad for neglecting books and films in my native language; IDK is that a thing for you too?

4. I think book binding is a really peaceful thing. When we were in the British Library, we sat in the foyer for a bit, and there was a video playing, of someone binding a book, and I remember that I was totally mesmerised by it. (:

5) Aaaww, that's lovely. Thanks for sharing that. <3

Date: 2011-07-07 05:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

(I would totally leave a coherent comment re: your answers, but I have done SO MUCH editing, and plotting, and making notes on the podfic version of one of my fics that I cannot even think right now)

BUT: Unrequited Arthur/Eames FTW! I'll be writing some of that for Team Angst over at ae_match!


Date: 2011-07-08 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Alright, here goes!

1. What would your perfect day be like?
2. What was your first fandom? Are you still involved in it some way or other?
3. What kind of music do you like to listen to? Who is your favourite singer/band?
4. If you could go to any place in the world, where would you go?
5. Why was it that you first wanted to learn German, and how is it going?

I totally forgive you for not leaving a coherent comment in the face of your hard work, and also because you will be writing unrequited Arthur/Eames slksdl;sdlk. I HAVE SO MUCH LOVE FOR THAT. Actually, it's kind of weird I'm rooting for Team Romance, but I'm also a huge sap even though I'm a sucker for unrequited love AND HOW DO THESE THINGS EVEN GO TOGETHER.

*snuggles back* And thank you so much for my v-gift, khas! ♥

Date: 2011-07-07 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
QUESTIONS! I want to answer this now. :D

Date: 2011-07-08 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

1. What are you most excited about about going to the US? What are you dreading most?
3. Do you prefer going to the cinema or going to the theatre?
4. Have you ever played a prank on someone as a child, and if so, WHAT WAS IT? (And if not, congratulations, you are now officially as lame as my humble self!)
5. You can have any superpower. Which one do you choose?

Date: 2011-07-07 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yay answers!

It is very interesting to me that you have found German language fandom to be less kink friendly, since we have a stereotype here that Germans are very sexually liberated and that German porn is, aha, extreme XD Also, that German as a language doesn't lend itself to squeeing so much. English is so flexible we can twist and abuse it in so many ways lol, probably because it's such a mongrel mutant of a language anyway XD

Ha, some parts in England and France do look similar! Especially the close bits, southern England and northern France. Northern England, Scotland and Wales look less so I think. To us though, you don't notice the bits that look the same because that's just what towns look like, right? XD And then the differences stand out way more, so it feels more different than it is really.

I love my Oyster card, but it demands so much money ;__; I loved meeting you too, and I'm so glad that you enjoyed your trip!

Right. OK. So, you do not actually properly understand the scope of Darren's perfection yet, but, that's fine. We can cope with this. Here's what you need to do. Go to my tumblr, and start listening to some of the endless Darren I have reblogged. Also, go to Amazon or itunes or something and buy his EP Human. Then, go to Youtube and spend the rest of the day watching the Starkid musicals, particularly AVPM and AVPS because they are amazing and the majority of the music is by him. When you are well saturated, report back.

LOL when I asked that question I was gonna say favourite one but I thought picking one is too difficult. Not Alone is the major anthem really. And I have big love for Stutter. But really, listen to it all, it is all TOTALLY AWESOME.

Hey, having a Darren Criss music marathon can be your perfect night in!

Date: 2011-07-08 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ahaha, really? :D *snorts* Where does that even come from? I'm not really sure that's true, at least not if you go by what is going on in fandom. German people I have encountered in English fandom tend to be kinky I think, and there certainly are kinky people in German fandom as well, otherwise there would be no, uh, 'need' for kink shaming I guess. But there is this overall tendency to go, "who would ever want to read that???!!!" instead of just saying, "well, that's not my cup of tea, but if other people like it, that's okay". I have no idea why that is!

That sounds perfectly logical. Both France and England are fairly different from Germany though, so the ways in which these countries look similar to each other are more likely to catch my eye. I still like England a million times better though. ♥

Well, my relationship with my Oyster card consists of equal parts hate and love, I think. It's true that it demands lots of money though, but it's just so ~convenient!

OOOOOH WAIT. If we count the Starkid stuff as Darren Criss music, then I do know some of that? I've been listening to AVPM a lot lately. If I had to name my three favourite AVPM songs, those would probably be mmmh Goin' Back to Hogwarts, Granger Danger, Ginny's Song, CAN I NAME ONE MORE I ALSO REALLY LIKE HARRY. But I promise I shall listen to his original original stuff asap. I just can't really at the moment because I have the slowest and flakiest internet connection in the world in this wilderness that is the Black Forest. But as soon as I go home, I WILL LISTEN TO ALL OF IT. Do you still love me? ):

Picking one is always exceedingly difficult. I think picking three is difficult! I was talking Glee actors with my little sister earlier today, and she asked me who my favourite actor and actress were.

ME: Can there be more than one person in the first slot?
SISTER: Alright.
ME: On second thought, can there be, like FIVE PEOPLE IN THE FIRST SLOT.

Having a Darren Criss music marathon sounds very tempting. (((:

Date: 2011-07-09 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, the UK generally there is a stereotype that Germans are very down with kink and stuff. Also, nudism, and particularly scat porn. *shrugs* I don't really have any experience with German porn, and also I've never come across a time when this didn't seem to be a totally accepted belief, so now you question it, I have no clue whether it is really based in reality or where it came from. Pretty sure Americans have that stereotype too :/ I hope you don't find it offensive...

What you're saying about German kink fandom though sounds to me more like being a symptom of the fandom being generally smaller and less well developed rather than German I suspect. The n00bs on kinkmemes and to fandom generally are always going to be more likely to think something is weird/shocking/gross/wrong and also to think they should express their feelings rather than scrolling on by. I'm sure that given more immersion in a larger fandom culture they would come to learn YKINMK just as soon as English and Americans pick it up, but maybe in a smaller social space they are stalling. It's sad though, because I love kinkmemes, I think they are so positive providing a space and shame free environment to explore and discuss all manner of sexual activities and expressions, and I feel like everyone in the world that doesn't have that is seriously missing out. Plus, free porn! What's not to love :D

Lol, Glee actors - I have to put Darren Criss in a separate bracket now for all that he does, otherwise he would just be my favourite everything right now XD Do feel free to ask me question back, btw, if you would like to.

If you like Harry, you need to listen to the song it was based off, Sami. Not Alone is also in AVPM, and Stutter is in AVPS, but they were all written first originally and had their lyrics changed so they could be used in the musical, and to me the original versions with Darren singing are a revelation. So. Go run and listen to them. I am also really into Sophomore at the moment, which I hadn't heard before the gig but is now my tuuuuuune.

Date: 2011-07-07 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

And I am gutted I didn't get to see you, still! I don't care if I have to miss work, I will see you when you come back in August :P I'll tell the department I'm going to Dad's wedding or something, since I'm probably not actually going to his wedding now...

German fandom sounds... weird. Not that I'm greatly immersed in English fandom, but at least when I do go there I feel welcomed, or something. Whereas German fandom just sounds scary :/

I... haven't been to France since I was 12, and it was a boring little place in Brittany rather than, say, Paris, but surely England is a lot less sunny than France? 52% of our days are overcast! :P


Date: 2011-07-08 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
1. What book character do you identify most with?
2. Do you play an instrument? If not, which one would you like to play?
3. If you could have any animal as a pet, which one would you choose?
4. What is your fondest internet memory?
5. WHAT IS SO GOOD ABOUT BOOBS? (I admit I'm kind of running out of questions here, but you have to admit that's a fabulous question.)

Oh, you should totally miss work to see me! I love me a girl who has her priorities sorted out. :D

It's true that German fandom doesn't make you feel very welcome, and I still feel like I don't really belong there. It's very hard to get your foot in the door, but that is probably because it is more scattered little groups of people who like bashing each other for what they like instead of a community. It can also be nice though! Just not as nice as English fandom. (:

England was actually pretty sunny while I was there! I was being cooked alive during the first two days, but then it cooled down a bit and was more characteristically English. :D I prefer that to hot and sunny though!

Love you. ♥

Date: 2011-07-07 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
QUESTIONS. (I do need to update my LJ; I'll use the questions as a way. Or something.)

AND ARTHUR/EAMES. SO LOVELY. I need an icon of Arthur/Eames, I really do. I have Inception on my mp3 (I've already seen it in the movie theatres though); my dad did it last night, and I am pleased and smug and nothing can make not! Not even those Post-It Notes Of Plot And Doom which are scattered all over my desk in an attempt to sort out the tangle (or lack thereof?) in my novel!

Date: 2011-07-08 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
HI EV HI. ♥ Here are your questions!

1. You could have any job in the world. Which one do you pick?
2. What is your favourite part of the house (bedroom, bathroom, window seat etc.)? Is this a creepy stalker question?
3. What is the bestest film in the world?
4. When did you start writing, and what is your writing process like?
5. What is your favourite subject at school? What is your best one?

ARTHUR/EAMES IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD. My greatest fear is that Inception fandom is going to die a slow and crawling death as people leave it for other fandoms, and that I will remain, desolate and crying. D:


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